Julian Jaynes Origin Consciousness Breakdown Bicameral Mind Pdf
Hey TOTJO!So a friend of mine reccomended a great book to me by Dr Julian Jaynes (1920-1997) called, published in 1976. In it, Dr Jaynes states that he believes humans evolved modern consciousness around 2000-3000 years ago, and prior to that, executive decisions were made by auditory hallucinated voices (mostly of gods and similar authority figures), a concept he calls 'bicameral mind theory'. He goes into a great deal of background research on how he came to believe these, all of which is quite illuminating. He states that humans evolved out of this type of consciousness around the same time that writing began to be more widely used throughout civilizations of the time.I find this concept fascinating. That modern sentient humans evolved from other types of beings we must first take as a scientific given. Then that humans thought, acted and behaved differently than modern humans, a concept that Dr Jaynes illustrates through ancient writings such as the Odyssey and Iliad, the epic of Gilgamesh, and others even older.Anyway, I was hoping some other Jedi had read this as well, and what they thought of the book and its hypotheses.
I highly recommend it if you have an interest in psychology or similar. I read it circa 1995 for a paper on the phenomenology of solipsism. (It wasn't all that closely related to what I was writing about, but I did manage to tie in the basic theory somehow.) It's an interesting hypothesis, that God used to speak to people more frequently because their hemispheres were more closely connected, allowing them to right-brain the hallucination of God into existence in a way that felt real. Probably not provable, but I suspect it's meant to be contemplated more than it's meant to be proved anyway.I guess the broader point, that humans used to think and behave differently even in comparatively recent history, is just as intriguing. We're used to seeing evolution as this long, drawn-out process showing progress only after tens of thousands of years, so the suggestion that it might actually happen more suddenly, and more recently, than we have heretofore suspected is fun to contemplate. Frustratingly there isn't a kindle version available (if someone has an ebook version please let me know where to get one).
What does Jaynes mean by Consciousness? Consciousness as something which didn't previously exist and did as a result of writing?
Or consciousness which did exist and was altered by the invention of writing? How does the notion of writing differ from cave paintings? Does Jaynes suppose there were fundamental changes in brain structure?
Or is consciousness more a development of the complexity of how brain regions process new information (which would be more prevalent once encoded in writing). File Attachment:File Name:File Size:3,052 KBAkkarin wrote: Frustratingly there isn't a kindle version available (if someone has an ebook version please let me know where to get one). What does Jaynes mean by Consciousness? Consciousness as something which didn't previously exist and did as a result of writing? Or consciousness which did exist and was altered by the invention of writing? How does the notion of writing differ from cave paintings? Does Jaynes suppose there were fundamental changes in brain structure?
Or is consciousness more a development of the complexity of how brain regions process new information (which would be more prevalent once encoded in writing).Does this work Akkarin? A Brief Summary of ‘The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind’, by Dr. Julian JaynesI found Julian Jaynes’ masterpiece ‘The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind’ to be a fascinating work on the evolution of modern human psychology.It began at the beginning, so to speak, with the very distant and earliest of recorded human history. Archaeological evidence showed early ritual burials and entombed kings, which became the origin of temples such as ziggurats and pyramids. This was around the same time that humans started naming each other and spoken language became more and more well developed. Jaynes lays out the evidence for his theory over the course of several chapters, primarily referencing ancient tests from Sumeria, Greece and so forth that seem to indicate men in conversation with the gods.Over time, these direct conversations stopped.
This seems to take place gradually throughout the world, at different times and in different places, but seems to track closely the advent of the written word. The speech center of the right brain, most likely the origin of the god authority voices, became dormant, except in rare cases such as schizophrenia.Though not directly discussed, Bicameral Theory could have a lot to do with a personal question of mine, why there is such a difference between the Old Testament Christian God and the New Testament One. When seen through the lense of Bicameral Theory, we see that the authors of the OT still ‘talked with’ or ‘listened to’ God, while in the New Testament (written in the first millennium AD, when bicameral men had faded out) God was distant and unheard, except in the attributed physical embodiment of Jesus (itself questionable as to the veracity of His statements or even if He existed at all).Written in 1976, Dr. Jaynes and his peers did not have access to modern scientific instruments in which to test aspects of the theory, such as fMRI and CAT scan machines. The Julian Jaynes Society (found at julianjaynes.org) addresses some of the findings of modern science in relation to the activation of the right hemisphere of actively hallucinating individuals. The short answer is that the current scientific evidence seems to support Bicameral Theory.Over all, I thoroughly enjoyed Dr. Jaynes’ work, and highly recommend it to anyone who has an interest in evolutionary psychology (why we think the we way we think), origin of god mythologies and or theories of the mind in general.
If conversations with gods are negatively correlated with the written word, how come all records of such conversations we have are found in written form from all that time ago? Some of the oldest remains of written language we have are from the fourth millennium BCE, rendering them about twice as old as Dr. Jaynes' dating of the fading away of hallucinated voices.
As to the written word part, early writing was mostly localized to scribes and the like for a long time, not the general population. So had little bearing on he Bicameral nature of the general population. Dr Jaynes lays his theory out very well, with a great deal of backing information over the course of 9 chapters organized in three books. This is just a brief summary.' Meanwhile undiagnosed though quite literate people report talking to their gods or to the spirits of their ancestors or deceased loved ones in shockingly great numbers to this very day.'
Bicameral Mind
In the cases of people literally hearing the voices of Gods, most if not all would be considered psychotic or hallucinating and not taken seriously. Also, citation needed. In my 6 years in the mental health field, no one personally informed me they literally spoke to gods or an ancestors. I don't believe it's 'shockingly great numbers' that they do.You should read it, gisteron. You'd probably like it.
At least check out the Amazon page and whatnot for a bit more info on it first.
Julian Jaynes Consciousness
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