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Originally Posted By Papabri:I just found this today and wanted to pass it along ASAP, so hope it's not a dupe.I recently got into muzzleloading (flinters), but found information about modern hunting muzzleloaders by CVA. (See 'photographs' page)From what I'm reading, they have steel that is too soft, and the breech plugs are blowing out, and you can guess what happens then. Some of the photos are graphic.
These guns are coming into the country untested, even though they are stamped as such.This has been a known problem with those CVA's for over 12 years. You are acting much like Babe and all of his followers.Knight went under.S&W has fired more than 50% of the TC staff and furloughed another 10%.Please stop running around like this is new news. I do have 3 CVA's.1 optima and 2 wolfs. Not one with a date of manufacture older than 03. And I have a number of buds who own late model CVA's. And fire them w/o a problem. It seems that when BPI took over CVA in 99, the improved the QC greatly as there seems to be no claims from rifels made after that date.The news and web site ARE still relivent as long as there are 95 thru 96 CVA rifels out there and newbies getting into the sport that have yet to hear about the recallinstead of calling names and belittling the effort, how about ' Thanks for the heads up, but I already heard of this'RLS.
Originally Posted By RLS:instead of calling names and belittling the effort, how about ' Thanks for the heads up, but I already heard of this'Because the OP has made the same assertion on this site more than once in the past week.Bill, I'm gonna have to call you out on this because what you are saying is not true. Furthermore, I'm having trouble understanding your motives. Are you a lawyer for CVA or something??Please post the link(s) to what I, the OP, was making as an 'assertion' 'MORE than once' in the past week.
Asshat, show us the link, please. We're waiting.I was going to ignore your first reply, but this is just total bullshit, pal. First of all, regardless of any other facts, the post has to do with recalled CVAs dating from 2005 and 2006, so unless this is year 2017 or 2018, it can't be 12 years. There are VERY LIKELY some owners of these rifles out there that should know about this recall and the reasons for it, do you not agree?Next, this isn't about some dupe regarding global warming or the world's biggest cheeseburger, it is about something that could be a very dangerous situation, and has injured some people severely.
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As I stated in my OP, I just came aceoss this this morning and apologized if it was a dupe. I did a search for the last 3 months and didn't see anything, but yet YOU, in your infinite wisdom, think it's MORE important to take the time to belittle my effort to bring this to everyone's attention? Apparently, I'm not the only one that didn't know - just look at the posts after yours. Even if it was common knowledge, how many muzzleloading enthusiasts have joined the sport in the last 12 years?Oh, wait, maybe that's just 5 years.Oh, and get busy on that search of my previous posts regarding the 'more than once' assertions during the past week.
I'm waiting to see that one, asshat. Originally Posted By 2mjohns:Anyone own one or have any experience with one? I'm thinking about getting one for next year. The reviews on Cabelas and BP are pretty good and the price is definately right.Read before buying anything by CVA. I'm not trying to be an alarmist, but I just got into muzzleloading (flinters) and came across this just a few minutes ago.Apparently CVAs are made with softer metals, and since there are no or few industry standards on muzzleloaders, buyer beware. They are importing guns that are marked as tested but are not.
No, I'm not a lawyer for CVA.My motives are simply that I tire seeing all these ZMOG!!!! CVA's blow up on every forum. If that makes me an asshat in your eyes, then so be it. In your eyes, I'm an asshat.The lawsuits are not 12 years old. The lawsuits are ongoing. As the website stated, there was a lawsuit filed against CVA, BPI, et al on 17 December, 2009.
The e-mail exchange with the old Eclipse having the trigger screw back out is the main reason why you do not see the Eclipse made anymore. Originally Posted By Seastate:Thanks OP for getting the word out.I wonder if any of those that were hurt used smokeless in those rifles. I'm not trying to 'blame the victim' but of all the rifles sold there has to be a few that wonder if they can get away with it just once or if someone made a mistake with a powder can. SSQuite possible.If you are near the (I think it is) DFW Bas Pro, go upstairs to their Fine Gun Room and check out the BP replica revolver they have on display. Some guy bought it, loaded it up with smokeless, it blew to pieces (I don't think he was seriously hurt) and then had the nerve to bring it back to the store for a replacement.and they GAVE it to him, keeping the damaged one for display to other Darwin Award wannabes.
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:My motives are simply that I tire seeing all these ZMOG!!!! CVA's blow up on every forum. If that makes me an asshat in your eyes, then so be it. In your eyes, I'm an asshat.You can tire of whatever you want, sir, and that doesn't make you an asshat.
What makes you an asshat is when you bash any OP for posting something (that they did a reasonable search on prior to posting and found nothing) of a potential danger to other shooters. That makes you an asshat, as well as stating that I, the OP, had already made several posts about this the previous week, which of course is BS. (Probably some other forum altogether) I don't read other gun forums like you do, so don't expect me to research the whole interweb just to make sure you are happy.
For Pete's sake, man, if you are tired of reading about this, stop clicking on it and posting excuses for being an asshat. Originally Posted By RLS:I do have 3 CVA's.1 optima and 2 wolfs.
Not one with a date of manufacture older than 03. And I have a number of buds who own late model CVA's.
And fire them w/o a problem. It seems that when BPI took over CVA in 99, the improved the QC greatly as there seems to be no claims from rifels made after that date.The news and web site ARE still relivent as long as there are 95 thru 96 CVA rifels out there and newbies getting into the sport that have yet to hear about the recallinstead of calling names and belittling the effort, how about ' Thanks for the heads up, but I already heard of this'RLSConcur. Who gives a shit if it's been around. If you heard it, fine, move on. For those who haven't, it could save them a ton of grief. Originally Posted By Papabri:I just found this today and wanted to pass it along ASAP, so hope it's not a dupe.I recently got into muzzleloading (flinters), but found information about modern hunting muzzleloaders by CVA.
(See 'photographs' page)From what I'm reading, they have steel that is too soft, and the breech plugs are blowing out, and you can guess what happens then. Some of the photos are graphic. These guns are coming into the country untested, even though they are stamped as such.Thanks! It never hurts to keep these safety issues out thereand up front as we all are new to bp one time or another. Originally Posted By Papabri:I just found this today and wanted to pass it along ASAP, so hope it's not a dupe.I recently got into muzzleloading (flinters), but found information about modern hunting muzzleloaders by CVA.
(See 'photographs' page)From what I'm reading, they have steel that is too soft, and the breech plugs are blowing out, and you can guess what happens then. Some of the photos are graphic. These guns are coming into the country untested, even though they are stamped as such.This has been a known problem with those CVA's for over 12 years. You are acting much like Babe and all of his followers.Knight went under.S&W has fired more than 50% of the TC staff and furloughed another 10%.Please stop running around like this is new news.yea and drop the sissors. Since I am new to this forum, I too have not heard of the problems with CVA inline muzzleloading rifles.
Some background about me. I have been building and shooting M/L's for 30 years. NRA certified instructor in M/L rifle, pistol and shotguns. I frequent a M/L forum. Range Safety Officer at my local range.As an RSO, I have seen many newbies with the fancy inlines. They show up at the range with the fresh, store-bought inline rifle and accesories still in the bag.
They throw 3 of the 50 grain pills down the barrel, beat a sabot bullet on top and cap with the 209 shotgun primer. And then they wonder why the recoil hurts.I was told of one fellow who showed up with new rifle, loaded it and fired. RSO heard unusually loud report. Walked over to him and saw guy pouring SMOKELESS powder down the barrel.
About 80 grains or so. New guy was shown the error of his ways. Store clerk sold both rifle and powder to this fellow. Both didn't have a clue. Shooter was very lucky in this case.I never did like the in-line action. Good, maybe, for some folks. But not for me.
I have built several flint rifles, assembled a few kits and bought factory made rifles and smoothbores.I do appreciate the info about problems with all muzzleloaders. Plastic stocks or wood stocks.P.S.the Bushmaster M-4 looks strange sitting in the rack with all the wood stocked, 42' barreled rifles that I own.
What has happered in the In Line guns is the very same thing that was found out with the high pressure iron clad killers. The Treble banded Brooks Rifle the 100,150, and 300 pound Parrott guns, 15' Dalgren guns ect.They can blow up!80 grains and a round ball will not, but you start putting heavey sabotted conicals in these gun and most of these.' Shooters'.dont know there is anything else. Most in lines are made about as cheap as can be made.I 've been shooting ML's since 76'.stay smart.Rocklock. It seems that I own one.I have not shot this gun in years, since MS opened single shot, breech loading, exposed hammer rifles of a design made 1900 or before with a cal of the same.I have not even bought any BP to pour into it!
LolOur primitive weapon season has me using an H&R handi rifle in 45/70 with scope!!:) My wife uses my.44mag handi rifle, and by friend uses a.444, there are some guys that use the 38/55, my brother in law uses the 500S&W, so it has not been a big issue around here in a very long time.however, if you want to buy some BP rifles, Mississippi is a great place to look for them! Lol They can't sell them at all in the stores.since the demand is all but gone with exc for the real BP guys.thanks for the post, I think. Lol, I was not pleased to find I own a piece of junk.at least it was not a big lose. I have not seen a BP rifle sell new for over $150 here in a very long time! I bought this one when the new law hit, for $60.
THE TRUTH ABOUT CVA MUZZLELOADERSBy Dudley McGarityIf you found this article while surfing the web or in a Google Search, you may have also noticed some other articles that present an extremely negative picture of both Blackpowder Products, Inc. And our CVA muzzleloading brand.
Unfortunately, this is nothing new to us, as most of it relates to Connecticut Valley Arms, Inc.’s Voluntary Recall — which was initiated way back in 1997. Most of these negative “articles” are actually several years old, but it seems that every so often they resurface and cause a rash of new internet chatter. As the CEO of BPI, I’d like to provide you with a little background information that will give you some insight as to why these persons would practice this “internet terrorism” against our company.You’ll notice that all of these “hit pieces” originate from one of two individuals. One of them has been engaged in an internet smear campaign against BPI and our CVA brand for several years now. Interestingly, the last time we checked, he works part-time for one of our competitors, Savage Arms Company. As for the other, he is a private investigator employed by a law firm that specializes in product liability lawsuits.
Over the past several years, both of these men have essentially been working together for this law firm, apparently in the pursuit of clients for whom the firm can potentially file gun accident lawsuits against BPI. As a part of this effort, the private investigator has recently set up a website on which he publishes, for the most part, information from the various court filings that were made in relation to accidents that occurred during the use of these recalled CVA guns – guns that were made in 1995 and 1996.
Needless to say, neither of these “gentlemen” could be considered unbiased commentators on CVA products. To the contrary, both have a financial interest in publicizing only the information — be it selected, partial, distorted, and/or blatantly false — that would provide some sort of advantage to their law firm and/or publicly damage the reputation and business of BPI/CVA.As for the recall, it is certainly no secret that, way back in 1997, Connecticut Valley Arms, Inc. Did in fact initiate a voluntary recall of one design of an in-line gun that was made in 1995 and 1996.
And, it is also no secret that a number of people were injured with these guns. However, Connecticut Valley Arms, Inc. Took responsibility at that time by issuing the recall, and BPI (the current owner of the CVA brand) is continuing the recall effort in an attempt to find all of these guns. So far, about 96% of the approximately 55,000 recalled guns have been accounted for.
The CVA Voluntary Recall is still in effect, and BPI continues to mention this in our CVA catalogs and on our CVA web page, and will be until every recall gun is found. Other than the voluntary recall of these 1995 and 1996 guns, no other CVA gun model has ever been recalled for any reason.Now, in regard to the present rather than the past, the guns that are marketed under the CVA brand today bear little if any design similarity to those that were recalled in 1997.
In fact, none of the barrels we use today are sourced from outside vendors. Hanssler complete bach edition 2017. Rather, they are all made in the Bergara Barrels factory, a facility that is wholly owned by our parent company. In addition to building the barrels for all CVA guns, Bergara Barrels also makes some of the most respected after market barrels available today, as well as providing barrels to many other highly reputed gun manufacturers throughout the world. Because of our direct control over the barrel making processes, today’s CVA guns, when used as instructed, are as safe as any muzzleloader on the market. Also, in terms of materials and construction, they are of equal, if not superior, quality to those of any of our competitors. This fact has been illustrated by the success that the CVA brand has enjoyed for the better part of a decade now – as the # 1 selling muzzleloader brand in the world.As a potential or present CVA owner, it is essential that you are able to use our guns with total confidence. And, certainly, reading the ramblings of characters like those I mention above can understandably shake that confidence.
While there is nothing we can ever do that will erase the history of a product recall from 15 years ago, I do hope that I have provided you with a balancing perspective that will counter the misinformation that you may read about our company on the internet.If you’d like to learn more about today’s CVA guns, and why they are now taking the market by storm, please check out our website at www.cva.com.Take it for what it's worth.